Re: randomizing tcp sequence numbers and the IP id field

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Wyatt
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Thanks krisleech, the randomization you are talking about is a little further than even I was looking for. We just want to randomize the initial sequence numbers, not all the sequence numbers. Let me give you some stats from our research to show you what we a looking for. The following is 2 lists of initial sequence numbers seen by a target destination. The first is a list of ISNs (initial sequence numbers) seen from a normal Microsoft windows 2000 host directly connected. Note there is some randomizaiton. The second is with a PIX 525 inline between the source (2 windows 2000 hosts) and the destination (the same target host). The PIX greatly improved the randomization of the ISNs. These should highlight the differences and level of randomization we would like to see:
1.BASELINE (no firewall involved, just Microsoft’s native randomizing)
3821792392
3822536869
3823369052
-1min pause
3834763729
3835673715
3836565869
-1min pause
3848653605
3849412963
3850277338
-1min pause
3862514801 suspicious
3863329333
3863993408
-1min pause
3876307621
3877050874
3877880730
15. PIX firewall – future reference ethereal capture c:temppix2.txt

FIREWALL INSIDE INTERFACE SAW: 245852646 (from comp1)
246488339 (from comp1)
247409802 (from comp1)
247997942 (from comp1)
248683549 (from comp1)
3005282343(from comp2)
3005947206(from comp2)
3006637540(from comp2)
3007270429(from comp2)
3007936591(from comp2)
DESTINATION SAW the following ISNs in order, for the above packets:
497976609
698736491
1144843323
1753896461
2045921313
85892628
3876006248
3622132887
489476749
174402616
– no comparison right? The PIX, in it’s state table, runs its own list of sequence numbers which allows it to greatly improve randomization. That is what we are looking for using Winpkfilter. Well that, and the randomization of the IP id field, which is simple compared to ISNs.

Does anyone have a copy of a program in which they have manipulated tcp/ip fields that works, that we could get a copy of? Thank you.